vegan electricity


Hello.

Is your gas and electricity 100% vegan? (The meaning of vegan is nothing has been taken from animals as part of the process.) I understand some green energy suppliers use animal products to produce energy.

Would be good to know by Friday 12 June as your deal ends then.

Thank you

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Hello.

Is your gas and electricity 100% vegan? (The meaning of vegan is nothing has been taken from animals as part of the process.) I understand some green energy suppliers use animal products to produce energy.

Would be good to know by Friday 12 June as your deal ends then.

Thank you


Hi Power440

Welcome to this great community.
In the main you will be communicating directly with its members - the customers.
Web Link https://purepla.net/energy

Like any supplier they would have to purchase their energy in the market place.
https://community.purepla.net/content/328-offset-carbon-emissions-pure-planet#ckb_start

Not sure if this helps, but PP had a customer open day last year and the food they served was vegan.
Very nice too as layed on by their community manager @Marc who is a vegan.

Out of curiosity what made those green suppliers non vegan?

Listen out for further feedback and head back with more questions.
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hi power440
I understand vegan and I understand vegetarian, and I'm only starting the reply with that line because I know from experience lots of people don't get it. (I say that from experience not arrogance).

In order to answer your very specialised query it might help if you are able to point us at the sources (or is it sauces?) which detail where how and why animal products are used by energy suppliers- do you mean suppliers and do you mean generators?

If biogas for example was used, (generated from waste) would that be considered vegan?

Most suppliers in general don't generate all or any of their energy themselves (PP don't) although there are exceptions of some suppliers who do own some generating capacity, so my opinion (not that of PP) is that your question, without context is impossible to answer.
That would also beg the question of ownership and responsibility which is why I asked if you meant generators.

Do you count the vegan (or not) proclivities of the admin workers?

Some wines or beers and most ciders use isinglass to filter the product, (as an example, but there are other non-vegan products used in the production of alcohol) so if any of the employees working for the suppliers or generators drink alcohol, the chances are they aren't strictly vegan although there are vegan alternatives. I'm not preaching or demeaning your question by the way, I'm just trying to tune-in to your where your ethical (if it is an ethical decision?) level lies.

Flour is vegan but the mill that ground it might use a leather belt to drive the milling machinery.

I'll start with the ideal and we can work our way downwards:

No product derived from an animal should be used in the generation of energy.
If that's unachievable (and I'm guessing it might be) where do you want to draw the line?

It's not to me to speak for PP here but as it stands the I believe the question can't be answered but I will say that in my experience the ethical stance of PP fits well with vegetarians and vegans.

power440;55872:
Hello.

Is your gas and electricity 100% vegan? (The meaning of vegan is nothing has been taken from animals as part of the process.) I understand some green energy suppliers use animal products to produce energy.

Would be good to know by Friday 12 June as your deal ends then.

Thank you
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Vegan electric.

i have seen this on ecotricity website before. Basically if a supplier sources their energy from anaerobic digestion or biofuel then they may be using animal byproduct waste as a source of fuel to produce the energy. No evidence provided as i dont think those figures are available.
PP use only wind and solar energy so like ecotricity they could claim to be vegan suppliers but im confident if you dig down enough you will find animal by product somewhere. Are solar panels and windturbines vegan? Somehow proberly not.

the energy your supplier buys/produces is fed into the grid with all other sources of production so therefore the energy you actually use at home is not totally green or vegan as you dont have a direct feed from a supplier. so despite claims by whoever the only true way to get and use guaranteed green and or vegan electric is to go totally offgrid and generate your own

HeyΒ @power440 and welcome to the Community πŸ™‚

Last year (April 2019 β€” March 2020), our electricity mix was 89% wind and 11% solar.

We currently buy only natural gas. So, aren't aware of the use of any animal-related products in the energy we purchase.

Hope that helps!

Nice one @Strutt G @woz @Jon1 for jumping in 😁
I didn't know that about flourΒ @woz!

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I'm not saying all mills use a leather belt ?(if there are any old-fashioned mills left?) , I was making the point about how difficult it is to ensure strict veganism, that was just an example.
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Hey @power440 and welcome to the Community πŸ™‚

Last year (March 2019 - Feb 2020) all our electricity came from wind (45%) and solar (55%).

We currently buy only natural gas. So, aren't aware of the use of any animal-related products in the energy we purchase.

Hope that helps!

Nice one @Strutt G @woz @Jon1 for jumping in 😁
I didn't know that about flour @woz!
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I suppose it depends on how vegan you are.
​​​​​​​ I would presume most vegans base it on the food they consume but a die hard extreme vegan would not use new polymer cash, phones/ computers and lord only know what else as animal byproduct is so inbuilt into modern life that it would be impossible to eradicate it completely. At the extreme end is a vegan shop still vegan if the employees are not vegan ? I suppose the same could be said when it comes to all manner of other consumer preferances.
I looked this up on the vegan facebook group I'm a member of, to the best of my understanding from an existing discussion there, emphasis mine:

I switched to Bulb a couple of months ago and after doing further research, I discovered they use animal products in their biomass fuels which isn't ideal. I have been told that Ecotricity is the only vegan green energy supplier but I have also been told they're quite pricey compared with other suppliers



This article was linked to https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jul/15/the-organic-farm-generating-five-star-electricity-from-cow-dung-and-food-waste?

I posted Nataly's figures for Pure Planet's energy mix on the discussion thread in case anyone there is interested in joining.

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To be honest it never occured to me until this discussion started that some people would want a vegan supplier.
i see no reason why PP could not dip in to their wallet and have a vegan survey done by whoever does these things and get themselves vegan status. Clearly their is a small number of people who would see this as a positive reason to switch and it could then be put onto forums as an extra bow in the PP cap of positivity.
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...did you mean feather (one that fell off while the bird was preening itself)?
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....as an extra bow in the PP cap of positivity.
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Maybe i did mean feather but im going to stick with feathers are not vegan................
Nataly;55922:
Hey @power440 and welcome to the Community πŸ™‚

Last year (March 2019 - Feb 2020) all our electricity came from wind (45%) and solar (55%).

We currently buy only natural gas. So, aren't aware of the use of any animal-related products in the energy we purchase.

Hope that helps!

Nice one @Strutt G @woz @Jon1 for jumping in 😁
I didn't know that about flour @woz!



Hello Nataly. In your message you write you're unaware. Is it possible to confirm for sure? This would be an important aspect in us switching to you.

Where you wrote for part of last year you bought solar and wind, where have you got your electricity from since March 2020? Where will you get it from in future?

Thank you
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I was going to say you don't eat them, but then I thought of the phrase "spitting feathers"...hmmm
​​​​​​​(also that's why I said it had fallen off while preening, no harm done to the bird)
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Maybe i did mean feather but im going to stick with feathers are not vegan................
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hi power440
Are you able to give us a list of current suppliers who claim that their electricity is vegan?


Even if you produced it yourself by whatever means it would not be possible to ensure that every single component you used had no part of it that wasn't associated with oil or animals in some way. (unless you produced it chemically, and mined the chemicals yourself)
I'm not demeaning your stance, in fact I admire it, but I can't see how ANY supplier can guarantee that the electricity that runs your appliances or lightbulbs (which aren't vegan either) can guarantee that their electricity is vegan.
Cruelty free maybe, but not vegan.
If a supplier goes to the trouble of paying for certification of their electricity I'd see that as a marketing ploy.

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Hello Nataly. In your message you write you're unaware. Is it possible to confirm for sure? This would be an important aspect in us switching to you.

Where you wrote for part of last year you bought solar and wind, where have you got your electricity from since March 2020? Where will you get it from in future?

Thank you
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Hey ya woz.

​​​​​​​as far as i know only ecotricity are certified as vegan, being as the owner dale vince is vegan himself then it comes as no surprise that he has got the required certificate to give ecotricity this status.

vegan electric is electric that is only produced by wind,sun and water so in that sense pure planet are vegan.

vegan gas is natural gas only.
As some anaerobic digestion producers will use slurry,manure and animal waste as a fuel source to produce the end fuel. They do say at some points they will build a grass only anaerobic digester but not sure if this has happened.
so again this makes PP gas vegan so unless there is another non vegan issue in the supply chain i would say if PP wanted they could also obtain vegan status maybe one for Mr Cooper to investigate. Is the cost of doing so worth the benefit of being so ???

buy their own admission only about 1% is produced using animal by products but it affects 60% of households. (Thats what the website says dont shoot the messanger.)
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Thanks @Jon1 that's very helpful.
Perhaps there should be a recognised cruelty free certification, (no animals were harmed or exploited in the generation of this electricity) not vegan, but everyone to their own.
I'm not criticising anyone for taking a stance here, far from it, but certificates aren't everything.

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Hey ya woz.

​​​​​​​as far as i know only ecotricity are certified as vegan, being as the owner dale vince is vegan himself then it comes as no surprise that he has got the required certificate to give ecotricity this status.

vegan electric is electric that is only produced by wind,sun and water so in that sense pure planet are vegan.

vegan gas is natural gas only.
As some anaerobic digestion producers will use slurry,manure and animal waste as a fuel source to produce the end fuel. They do say at some points they will build a grass only anaerobic digester but not sure if this has happened.
so again this makes PP gas vegan so unless there is another non vegan issue in the supply chain i would say if PP wanted they could also obtain vegan status maybe one for Mr Cooper to investigate. Is the cost of doing so worth the benefit of being so ???

buy their own admission only about 1% is produced using animal by products but it affects 60% of households. (Thats what the website says dont shoot the messanger.)
power440;56165:
Hello Nataly. In your message you write you're unaware. Is it possible to confirm for sure? This would be an important aspect in us switching to you.

Where you wrote for part of last year you bought solar and wind, where have you got your electricity from since March 2020? Where will you get it from in future?

Thank you


Hey @power440

We'll only source our electricity from sun, wind and water - what changes each year is the mix between what percentage is sourced from those three.

While I can confirm we don't source from biogases, only natural gas, as other Members have been discussing it'd involve a certain degree of investigation to make sure it's 100% vegan in every way!

Since we don't use biogas, I think @Jon1 has summed it up quite well with...

As some anaerobic digestion producers will use slurry,manure and animal waste as a fuel source to produce the end fuel. They do say at some points they will build a grass only anaerobic digester but not sure if this has happened.
so again this makes PP gas vegan so unless there is another non vegan issue in the supply chain


Hope that helps.
I've done some digging into this on the Vegan Society website, and to be honest, without possibly revealing confidential information, or doing a lot of digging into REGO, I don't know how anyone manages to get 'Vegan certification'

Ecotricity's Vegan Certification is based on two things it appears:

1: Ecotricity have proven, to the satisfaction of the Vegan Society that their electricity is sourced only from wind and solar.

2: Ecotricity state they have agreements in place with all of their green gas generators, ensuring that any food waste or organic matter that feed their anaerobic digestion sites are free from animal by-products. The feedstock of all the sites Ecotricity uses can be checked through the independent Official Information Portal on Anaerobic Digestion. This means we can be confident in Ecotricity’s adherence to vegan energy.

So basically, from that, I conclude that at least from the last available figures:

1: Pure Planet's electricity mix is, as 'Vegan' as Ecotricity's is = wind (45%) and solar (55%).

2: Pure Planet's gas mix, as it only comes from 'Natural Gas' is as 'Vegan' as Ecotricity's is, if not necessarily, as 'Green' at source, Pure Planet uses 'Carbon Offsetting' to compensate for its gas usage at present.

That's my take on it anyway - I guess it boils down to whether any company's published 'fuel mix' data, which is only available after the event, is sufficient evidence of their credentials, or whether someone needs the assurance provided by Vegan Society approval.

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