Originally Posted by Gwyndy
I don’t see anyone here with a low enough intelligence to honestly think that the energy provider routes the green electrons from a wind turbine to your house.
Yes, we all agree that when paying for green energy we expect the provider to source the energy from a renewable source.
That means we are invested in supporting renewables.
Why else would we buy green energy other than to have it sourced from renewable generators.
The issue raised here and by many now is that these suppliers don’t source the energy from those generators. They source it from the same place that every other supplier gets it, the wholesale market.
So what have we achieved by paying into the renewable supplier?
They have sourced certificates that say someone else paid for renewable energy at a time that suited them (when it was cheaper than brown).
This practice does not support the growth of renewables. It’s just a marketing ploy to allow them to claim 100% renewable sourced energy, without actually sourcing it.
The big question: If you didn’t pay into PP or such, would that renewable energy have been generated anyway? Sadly yes, you have not funded renewables. You have not purchased renewable energy. You paid for a certificate that was left over from existing renewables already generated in the past.
There are better ways to do this. Companies that do purchase your energy as promoted. And as many have suggested here, the current system is flawed and being exploited as a business model by allowing the sale of green certificates without purchasing the energy associated with it.
I hope the transparency of the industry improves to allow us consumers to differentiate between buying 100% renewable sourced energy and buying standard energy with a cheap certificate of prior existence, surplace to requirement of the previous purchased of that energy as they do not need to claim the green credentials to their customers.
And the argument that you can’t buy energy from renewables when they are not producing is nonsense. As consumers currently we don’t have time of use tariffs so our suppliers aren’t having to purchase renewables as you use energy. They can negotiate directly with the generators and purchase a sum of energy to be put into the grid to balance your use. As other suppliers, pointed out by the latest which? report, do so.
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Originally Posted by woz
I was a customer for 2 years. So heavily invested here.
I would go by the Which? Report of those who buy energy from the generators as promised when selling it as “100% sourced”.