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  • Announcing Members’ rate increase from 15 January 2019

    Hi all

    We’ve announced a change to our Members’ rate - that’s the per unit rate you pay for your energy - and I wanted to give you more information here in the Community.

    We know that nobody likes a price rise. Wholesale prices have risen by 25 per cent throughout 2018. They have been higher than the market expected, for longer than expected.

    Because we buy your energy in advance, we’ve been able avoid an increase for existing Members until after Christmas.
    We’re letting you know six weeks in advance to give you time to plan.

    When do the new rates take effect?
    The change is effective from 15 January 2019 for all existing Members. New Members joining us from today - 27 November - will be quoted and join at the new rates.

    What are the new rates?

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    For a typical household using both electricity and gas, the average cost will rise by 8.4 per cent for the dual fuel medium users. The increase for single gas users is 7.7 per cent, and for single electricity user is 8.5 per cent.
    This means the average bill for medium use dual fuel users will increase from £921 to £998 a year.
    All our Members will get an email over the next few days with the detail about how their annual energy cost is affected.
    We are not changing any Direct Debits.

    Why are we putting our prices up?
    Due to wholesale market prices rising in the last few months, we need to increase your Member’s rate.
    As you know, our Members’ rate is based on wholesale energy costs. There’s zero markup on the energy you use. You pay no more than we pay.
    Wholesale prices have risen by 25 per cent throughout 2018.

    With the new tariff how does Pure Planet compare to other suppliers?
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    Why do different regions of the UK have different rates?
    The difference in the cost across each geographical region is down to the cost of transporting gas and electricity to your home.
    The costs are determined and applied by your Distribution Network Operator (DNO) and we pass these on at cost.
    We don’t make money on the transport costs of getting energy to your home.

    When did we last put up our prices?
    Against a whole energy cost increase of 25 per cent in 2018, we have put up our prices twice, by 5.6% in March 2018 and by 5.63% in October 2018, for average dual fuel users.
    We also reduced our Membership fee in May 2018 from £10 per fuel a month to £8.50 per month.

    Will prices go up again in the future?
    Our tariff is variable, which means our prices can go down as well as up. If prices go down we’ll pass them on to Members immediately. Having a variable tariff means that all our Members are on a fair, competitive rate - based on wholesale prices.

    How does the Pure Planet tariff work?
    We have one tariff for all our customers, so you’re always on our best rate.
    Our Members’ rate is the per kilowatt (kWh) unit rate. It’s a pass through rate, based on wholesale costs, which you pay what we pay for your energy. There’s zero markup.
    Our Membership fee is the standing charge. It’s the daily rate calculated and collected in 12 equal monthly installments each year. It covers: Your meter maintenance, our people costs, operating and systems costs, our low profit margin and VAT.
    Our Membership fee is £8.50 a month per fuel.
    For dual fuel members we have a dual fuel discount worth £30 a year.

    Where do I find my tariff information?
    In your Pure Planet app, tap My account > Balance & Payments to see your tariff.

    Why didn’t you warn me about a price rise before I switched?
    In the last few weeks, we’ve made a statement on our website and the price comparison sites: “The wholesale market has been rising in recent months, so it's likely that we'll need to increase our Members' rate in the near future.”
    We also posted a thread in the community last month about a possible rise.
    We’ve got more information about the rate change on our blog. You can also read our latest quarterly blog post about the wholesale energy market.

    Got any questions? Let’s talk about them below.

    Last edited by Marc; 27-11-18 at 09:40.
    Community Manager - Pure Planet

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  • Hi all

    We’ve announced a change to our Members’ rate - that’s the per unit rate you pay for your energy - and I wanted to give you more information here in the Community.

    We know that nobody likes a price rise. Wholesale prices have risen by 25 per cent throughout 2018. They have been higher than the market expected, for longer than expected.

    Because we buy your energy in advance, we’ve been able avoid an increase for existing Members until after Christmas.
    We’re letting you know six weeks in advance to give you time to plan.

    When do the new rates take effect?
    The change is effective from 15 January 2019 for all existing Members. New Members joining us from today - 27 November - will be quoted and join at the new rates.

    What are the new rates?

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    For a typical household using both electricity and gas, the average cost will rise by 8.4 per cent for the dual fuel medium users. The increase for single gas users is 7.7 per cent, and for single electricity user is 8.5 per cent.
    This means the average bill for medium use dual fuel users will increase from £921 to £998 a year.
    All our Members will get an email over the next few days with the detail about how their annual energy cost is affected.
    We are not changing any Direct Debits.

    Why are we putting our prices up?
    Due to wholesale market prices rising in the last few months, we need to increase your Member’s rate.
    As you know, our Members’ rate is based on wholesale energy costs. There’s zero markup on the energy you use. You pay no more than we pay.
    Wholesale prices have risen by 25 per cent throughout 2018.

    With the new tariff how does Pure Planet compare to other suppliers?
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    Why do different regions of the UK have different rates?
    The difference in the cost across each geographical region is down to the cost of transporting gas and electricity to your home.
    The costs are determined and applied by your Distribution Network Operator (DNO) and we pass these on at cost.
    We don’t make money on the transport costs of getting energy to your home.

    When did we last put up our prices?
    Against a whole energy cost increase of 25 per cent in 2018, we have put up our prices twice, by 5.6% in March 2018 and by 5.63% in October 2018, for average dual fuel users.
    We also reduced our Membership fee in May 2018 from £10 per fuel a month to £8.50 per month.

    Will prices go up again in the future?
    Our tariff is variable, which means our prices can go down as well as up. If prices go down we’ll pass them on to Members immediately. Having a variable tariff means that all our Members are on a fair, competitive rate - based on wholesale prices.

    How does the Pure Planet tariff work?
    We have one tariff for all our customers, so you’re always on our best rate.
    Our Members’ rate is the per kilowatt (kWh) unit rate. It’s a pass through rate, based on wholesale costs, which you pay what we pay for your energy. There’s zero markup.
    Our Membership fee is the standing charge. It’s the daily rate calculated and collected in 12 equal monthly installments each year. It covers: Your meter maintenance, our people costs, operating and systems costs, our low profit margin and VAT.
    Our Membership fee is £8.50 a month per fuel.
    For dual fuel members we have a dual fuel discount worth £30 a year.

    Where do I find my tariff information?
    In your Pure Planet app, tap My account > Balance & Payments to see your tariff.

    Why didn’t you warn me about a price rise before I switched?
    In the last few weeks, we’ve made a statement on our website and the price comparison sites: “The wholesale market has been rising in recent months, so it's likely that we'll need to increase our Members' rate in the near future.”
    We also posted a thread in the community last month about a possible rise.
    We’ve got more information about the rate change on our blog. You can also read our latest quarterly blog post about the wholesale energy market.

    Got any questions? Let’s talk about them below.

    Community Manager - Pure Planet

  • I recently referred someone and my app says it was successful and that you had emailed me my voucher. I have not received it. Also unhappy that you didn't use notification facility via app to give notice of price increase
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  • I recently referred someone and my app says it was successful and that you had emailed me my voucher. I have not received it. Also unhappy that you didn't use notification facility via app to give notice of price increase
  • I'm curious. When would this information have been sent o individual customers please?
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  • I'm curious. When would this information have been sent o individual customers please?
  • Quote Originally Posted by mikemikes View Post
    I'm curious. When would this information have been sent o individual customers please?
    Hi @mikemikes
    All our Members will get an email over the next few days with the detail about how their annual energy cost is affected.
    Community Manager - Pure Planet

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  • Quote Originally Posted by mikemikes View Post
    I'm curious. When would this information have been sent o individual customers please?
    Hi @mikemikes
    All our Members will get an email over the next few days with the detail about how their annual energy cost is affected.
    Community Manager - Pure Planet

  • hi editigertony
    the app does not support notifications (yet), if your voucher doesn’t appear over the next few days head off to help in the app and message the team. T&cs state a minimum of 14 days notice for a price increase, much more than that has been given and there was s warning writ large on both the website and in the community.
    Quote Originally Posted by edintigertony View Post
    I recently referred someone and my app says it was successful and that you had emailed me my voucher. I have not received it. Also unhappy that you didn't use notification facility via app to give notice of price increase
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    hi fred, you are not on a fixed rate for a year, the tariff is variable with a 14 day notice min of changes. Who told you it was fixed for a year?
    Quote Originally Posted by fred Nelson View Post
    I am on a fixed rate of 12.18 pence per kwh for a year, how can you now say you are going to increase this
    fred Nelson
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    well at least you got a fairly long notice period - that was lucky!
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    I've started today.....
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    it will be sent over the next few days, pp are only obliged to give 14 days notice but have given longer for existing customers
    Quote Originally Posted by mikemikes View Post
    I'm curious. When would this information have been sent o individual customers please?
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  • hi editigertony
    the app does not support notifications (yet), if your voucher doesn’t appear over the next few days head off to help in the app and message the team. T&cs state a minimum of 14 days notice for a price increase, much more than that has been given and there was s warning writ large on both the website and in the community.
    Quote Originally Posted by edintigertony View Post
    I recently referred someone and my app says it was successful and that you had emailed me my voucher. I have not received it. Also unhappy that you didn't use notification facility via app to give notice of price increase
    - - - Updated - - -

    hi fred, you are not on a fixed rate for a year, the tariff is variable with a 14 day notice min of changes. Who told you it was fixed for a year?
    Quote Originally Posted by fred Nelson View Post
    I am on a fixed rate of 12.18 pence per kwh for a year, how can you now say you are going to increase this
    fred Nelson
    - - - Updated - - -

    well at least you got a fairly long notice period - that was lucky!
    Quote Originally Posted by billysally208 View Post
    I've started today.....
    - - - Updated - - -

    it will be sent over the next few days, pp are only obliged to give 14 days notice but have given longer for existing customers
    Quote Originally Posted by mikemikes View Post
    I'm curious. When would this information have been sent o individual customers please?
  • I'm a little confused. When joining the sell was that members rate would always stay the same as that is how you make money - but electricity prices will go up and down in accordance with wholesale prices (no mark up). This year we've had a couple of price rises in line with wholesale prices - but now I'm getting a message that members rates are going up due to wholesale prices ?. Doesn't make any sense - please can PP be specific on reasons - is this rise to cover utility costs or to increase margin ? if the latter fine - I understand you have a business to run / investments etc. But to me your messaging is making you look a bit shady and certainly not 'Pure' - think your customers deserve full disclosure
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  • I'm a little confused. When joining the sell was that members rate would always stay the same as that is how you make money - but electricity prices will go up and down in accordance with wholesale prices (no mark up). This year we've had a couple of price rises in line with wholesale prices - but now I'm getting a message that members rates are going up due to wholesale prices ?. Doesn't make any sense - please can PP be specific on reasons - is this rise to cover utility costs or to increase margin ? if the latter fine - I understand you have a business to run / investments etc. But to me your messaging is making you look a bit shady and certainly not 'Pure' - think your customers deserve full disclosure
  • Quote Originally Posted by Hodgey View Post
    I'm a little confused. When joining the sell was that members rate would always stay the same as that is how you make money - but electricity prices will go up and down in accordance with wholesale prices (no mark up). This year we've had a couple of price rises in line with wholesale prices - but now I'm getting a message that members rates are going up due to wholesale prices ?. Doesn't make any sense - please can PP be specific on reasons - is this rise to cover utility costs or to increase margin ? if the latter fine - I understand you have a business to run / investments etc. But to me your messaging is making you look a bit shady and certainly not 'Pure' - think your customers deserve full disclosure
    Hi @Hodgey
    Welcome to the community! Thanks for posting.
    What's not changed is our Membership fee. That's £8.50 per month, per fuel. It's what other suppliers call their 'standing charge'.
    It's the daily rate, calculated and collected in 12 equal monthly payments. It covers:
    - Your meter maintenance
    -Our people costs
    -Our operating and systems costs
    -Our low profit margin (there’s no mark up on your energy use)
    -VAT

    What has risen is the Member rate. It's a variable rate, and zero markup based on wholesale energy costs. You pay what we pay.
    We'll give you at least 14 days notice if it goes up. If it goes down we'll pass the saving on immediately.
    Community Manager - Pure Planet

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  • Quote Originally Posted by Hodgey View Post
    I'm a little confused. When joining the sell was that members rate would always stay the same as that is how you make money - but electricity prices will go up and down in accordance with wholesale prices (no mark up). This year we've had a couple of price rises in line with wholesale prices - but now I'm getting a message that members rates are going up due to wholesale prices ?. Doesn't make any sense - please can PP be specific on reasons - is this rise to cover utility costs or to increase margin ? if the latter fine - I understand you have a business to run / investments etc. But to me your messaging is making you look a bit shady and certainly not 'Pure' - think your customers deserve full disclosure
    Hi @Hodgey
    Welcome to the community! Thanks for posting.
    What's not changed is our Membership fee. That's £8.50 per month, per fuel. It's what other suppliers call their 'standing charge'.
    It's the daily rate, calculated and collected in 12 equal monthly payments. It covers:
    - Your meter maintenance
    -Our people costs
    -Our operating and systems costs
    -Our low profit margin (there’s no mark up on your energy use)
    -VAT

    What has risen is the Member rate. It's a variable rate, and zero markup based on wholesale energy costs. You pay what we pay.
    We'll give you at least 14 days notice if it goes up. If it goes down we'll pass the saving on immediately.
    Community Manager - Pure Planet

  • I think the confusion here is the use of the phrase "members rate"
    The membership fee (£8.50 per fuel supply) akin to the standing charge used by other companies is fixed, but it can change (in fact the last change was a reduction), the remainder of the costs are down to what PP have to pay for buying (including forward buying) the energy they sell to us, that is what the "members rate" refers to.
    PP say that they don't intend to profit from the energy they sell to us. No mark up on the energy. What they have to pay for that energy depends on the wholesale market, and costs have been rising.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hodgey View Post
    I'm a little confused. When joining the sell was that members rate would always stay the same as that is how you make money - but electricity prices will go up and down in accordance with wholesale prices (no mark up). This year we've had a couple of price rises in line with wholesale prices - but now I'm getting a message that members rates are going up due to wholesale prices ?. Doesn't make any sense - please can PP be specific on reasons - is this rise to cover utility costs or to increase margin ? if the latter fine - I understand you have a business to run / investments etc. But to me your messaging is making you look a bit shady and certainly not 'Pure' - think your customers deserve full disclosure
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    hi Freya
    Can you explain what you mean by maximum profit (as opposed to any profit/minimum profit/no profit)

    re electricity costs the chart I posted is courtesy of Ofgem.
    Quote Originally Posted by Freya View Post
    Time for another move I think. They all want maximum profit, no matter how glossy and nicey nicey they come across! Wholesale is rising 25%.....come on!!!!
    Last edited by woz; 29-11-18 at 15:30.
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  • I think the confusion here is the use of the phrase "members rate"
    The membership fee (£8.50 per fuel supply) akin to the standing charge used by other companies is fixed, but it can change (in fact the last change was a reduction), the remainder of the costs are down to what PP have to pay for buying (including forward buying) the energy they sell to us, that is what the "members rate" refers to.
    PP say that they don't intend to profit from the energy they sell to us. No mark up on the energy. What they have to pay for that energy depends on the wholesale market, and costs have been rising.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hodgey View Post
    I'm a little confused. When joining the sell was that members rate would always stay the same as that is how you make money - but electricity prices will go up and down in accordance with wholesale prices (no mark up). This year we've had a couple of price rises in line with wholesale prices - but now I'm getting a message that members rates are going up due to wholesale prices ?. Doesn't make any sense - please can PP be specific on reasons - is this rise to cover utility costs or to increase margin ? if the latter fine - I understand you have a business to run / investments etc. But to me your messaging is making you look a bit shady and certainly not 'Pure' - think your customers deserve full disclosure
    - - - Updated - - -

    hi Freya
    Can you explain what you mean by maximum profit (as opposed to any profit/minimum profit/no profit)

    re electricity costs the chart I posted is courtesy of Ofgem.
    Quote Originally Posted by Freya View Post
    Time for another move I think. They all want maximum profit, no matter how glossy and nicey nicey they come across! Wholesale is rising 25%.....come on!!!!
  • Time for another move I think. They all want maximum profit, no matter how glossy and nicey nicey they come across! Wholesale is rising 25%.....come on!!!!
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  • Time for another move I think. They all want maximum profit, no matter how glossy and nicey nicey they come across! Wholesale is rising 25%.....come on!!!!
  • Day 4 of being a PP customer and I’m told members price is increasing......nice
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  • Day 4 of being a PP customer and I’m told members price is increasing......nice
  • I am on a fixed rate of 12.18 pence per kwh for a year, how can you now say you are going to increase this
    fred Nelson
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  • I am on a fixed rate of 12.18 pence per kwh for a year, how can you now say you are going to increase this
    fred Nelson
  • Quote Originally Posted by fred Nelson View Post
    I am on a fixed rate of 12.18 pence per kwh for a year, how can you now say you are going to increase this
    fred Nelson
    Hi @fred Nelson
    Welcome to the community! Thanks for posting
    We don't have a fixed rate. What gave you that idea?
    We've only ever had one, simple tariff. It's variable, which means rates can move up and down at any time, but we aim to keep price changes to a minimum
    Community Manager - Pure Planet

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  • Quote Originally Posted by fred Nelson View Post
    I am on a fixed rate of 12.18 pence per kwh for a year, how can you now say you are going to increase this
    fred Nelson
    Hi @fred Nelson
    Welcome to the community! Thanks for posting
    We don't have a fixed rate. What gave you that idea?
    We've only ever had one, simple tariff. It's variable, which means rates can move up and down at any time, but we aim to keep price changes to a minimum
    Community Manager - Pure Planet

  • Eight days in and there's a price rise. On what date was the price increase ratified by the appropriate department or committee?
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  • Eight days in and there's a price rise. On what date was the price increase ratified by the appropriate department or committee?
  • Quote Originally Posted by Bax View Post
    Day 4 of being a PP customer and I’m told members price is increasing......nice
    I've started today.....
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  • Quote Originally Posted by Bax View Post
    Day 4 of being a PP customer and I’m told members price is increasing......nice
    I've started today.....
  • Me Too!
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  • Me Too!
  • Quote Originally Posted by Bax View Post
    Day 4 of being a PP customer and I’m told members price is increasing......nice
    Quote Originally Posted by billysally208 View Post
    I've started today.....


    Hi @Bax and @billysally208
    I understand it's frustrating because you've just joined us.
    We've one, simple tariff that's variable - it can go up as well as down.
    And when it does someone, somewhere will have just joined us... so it's nothing personal.
    Even after this change, we're still extremely competitive so I hope you'll decide to stay.
    Community Manager - Pure Planet

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  • Quote Originally Posted by Bax View Post
    Day 4 of being a PP customer and I’m told members price is increasing......nice
    Quote Originally Posted by billysally208 View Post
    I've started today.....


    Hi @Bax and @billysally208
    I understand it's frustrating because you've just joined us.
    We've one, simple tariff that's variable - it can go up as well as down.
    And when it does someone, somewhere will have just joined us... so it's nothing personal.
    Even after this change, we're still extremely competitive so I hope you'll decide to stay.
    Community Manager - Pure Planet

  • Day 1.... not happy
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  • Day 1.... not happy
  • Same. Fuming! Why couldn’t they tell us whilst changing.
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    Day 4 of being a PP customer and I’m told members price is increasing......nice
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  • Same. Fuming! Why couldn’t they tell us whilst changing.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bax View Post
    Day 4 of being a PP customer and I’m told members price is increasing......nice
  • My switch is completing in 4 days, I was informed from the start that prices were going to rise soon so no surprise. They have risen to £65 more per year for fuel cost of last supplier but the service charge is £140 + less per year with you so I'm still smiling and very happy to join you. Just slightly gutted that living in North Yorkshire we get classed as North East not the cheaper Yorkshire, wish I didn't know that 😂
    Last edited by JennyR68; 27-11-18 at 14:30.
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  • My switch is completing in 4 days, I was informed from the start that prices were going to rise soon so no surprise. They have risen to £65 more per year for fuel cost of last supplier but the service charge is £140 + less per year with you so I'm still smiling and very happy to join you. Just slightly gutted that living in North Yorkshire we get classed as North East not the cheaper Yorkshire, wish I didn't know that 😂
  • Quote Originally Posted by JennyR68 View Post
    My switch is completing in 4 days, I was informed from the start that prices were going to rise soon so no surprise. They have risen to £65 more per year for fuel cost of last supplier but the service charge is £140 + less per year with you so I'm still smiling and very happy to join you.
    Welcome to the community @JennyR68
    Nice one for getting involved
    Community Manager - Pure Planet

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  • Quote Originally Posted by JennyR68 View Post
    My switch is completing in 4 days, I was informed from the start that prices were going to rise soon so no surprise. They have risen to £65 more per year for fuel cost of last supplier but the service charge is £140 + less per year with you so I'm still smiling and very happy to join you.
    Welcome to the community @JennyR68
    Nice one for getting involved
    Community Manager - Pure Planet