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Had my smart meters fitted yesterday and received the Geo Trio II IHD. One thing I noticed when poking through the settings is that it doesn't have the WiFi module to allow it to be monitored remotely (I'm a bit of a gadget freak :rolleyes:). Couldn't find where to buy the module online so pinged Geo who told me that my energy supplier should be able to provide me with one.

Anyone know how to get hold of one? Doesn't appear to be covered in the FAQ.

​Thanks, Chris
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Best answer by WeAllWantToBeHappy 16 January 2021, 00:17

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Hi ScoobyChris,
Welcome to the community.

The subject of the WiFi module has been mentioned a few times, with someone asking if PP could supply the module. The reply was that PP want to sort the basics of smart meter installations first. But never say never., I'm sure it will come up again as there are a few members that are interested.
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Hi ScoobyChris,
Welcome to the community.

The subject of the WiFi module has been mentioned a few times, with someone asking if PP could supply the module. The reply was that PP want to sort the basics of smart meter installations first. But never say never., I'm sure it will come up again as there are a few members that are interested.


Yep I was one of them! :)

It does seem that Geotogether do have a REST API for their products. See - https://www.geotogether.com/products-services/tempo-smarter-energy/ so all we need is the module.
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one can but ask....
jelockwood;32637:
Yep I was one of them! :)

It does seem that Geotogether do have a REST API for their products. See - https://www.geotogether.com/products-services/tempo-smarter-energy/ so all we need is the module.
jelockwood;32637:
Yep I was one of them! :)

It does seem that Geotogether do have a REST API for their products. See - https://www.geotogether.com/products-services/tempo-smarter-energy/ so all we need is the module.


Yep exactly. Was expecting to find the modules on somewhere like eBay but seems their distribution is closely guarded! I’ve asked customer services and will see what they say.

Chris
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PP seem to have plans (IIRC) that they'll show usage data in the App (which makes sense) - but that cam come from Smart Meter->PP->your account

That seems better than dealing with wifi installation per customer. And will still allow PP to show usage data to those who ditch the IHD (which I will do as soon as the app/account has the details)
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PP seem to have plans (IIRC) that they'll show usage data in the App (which makes sense) - but that cam come from Smart Meter->PP->your account

That seems better than dealing with wifi installation per customer. And will still allow PP to show usage data to those who ditch the IHD (which I will do as soon as the app/account has the details)


The approach you detail above is -

1. Unlikely to provide as frequent an update of data
2. Not be able to be integrated to other smart home systems.

In theory if you were monitoring locally with a smart home system you could have an automation rule that either sent an alert on spotting an increase in energy usage or could automatically turn smart power sockets off. Other possibilities I am sure would also be 'invented'.
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Agreed. But it does make it a lot easier for PP to manage for ALL customers.

Perhaps a wireless module could become an option extra. Maybe they'll even include it (or activate it) in future. And if so, can we have IFTTT support please 🙂
Got my meters installed a few minutes ago. When PP said that they could install them, I asked if they could supply the WIFI module and they said they could. Just be fore the engineer left, I checked and it wasn't install. I asked him and he said he had some funny black things that he didn't know what they were. He got one and, sure enough, it was a WIFI module. So I am now networked in. However, I don't know if PP are supplying access to a cloud account or not. Still at least I'm networked!

Seem that you need the "Geo Tempo" app on Android and you can create a free account agd start seeing data. Can't say if this works for Apple devices.

Now to look at the restful API!

Documentation here...

https://tempo-io.github.io/tempo-api-docs/?__hstc=107193373.8463fdbd5e38bd69631e1e70f38fa859.1584547674649.1584547674649.1584550205921.2&__hssc=107193373.1.1584550205921&__hsfp=4108662348&hsutk=8463fdbd5e38bd69631e1e70f38fa859&contentType=standard-page

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See you in a couple of weeks:)
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Got my meters installed a few minutes ago. When PP said that they could install them, I asked if they could supply the WIFI module and they said they could. Just be fore the engineer left, I checked and it wasn't install. I asked him and he said he had some funny black things that he didn't know what they were. He got one and, sure enough, it was a WIFI module. So I am now networked in. However, I don't know if PP are supplying access to a cloud account or not. Still at least I'm networked!


​​​​​​​That's interesting, there are many members, myself included that would be interested in getting one of these modules. @Marc, is PP now in a position to offer these to interested members?
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​​​​​​​That's interesting, there are many members, myself included that would be interested in getting one of these modules. @Marc, is PP now in a position to offer these to interested members?


Interesting @Duppy @Bernie
I'm checking it out 👍
Bear with me!
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Thanks Bernie
​​​​​​​This is the most exciting post about smart meters yet!
I'm almost tempted...(but only almost)
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Interesting @Duppy @Bernie
I'm checking it out 👍
Bear with me!

@Marc
​​​​​​​I would most interested in receiving one of these IHD WiFi modules too, hopefully this will allow integration with Samsung Smartthings.
Hi @Bernie
So I've checked all this out with our smart meters team.
What you've described is a consumer access device. We don't currently support these, so the Magnum engineer shouldn't have given this to you.
That said, we're not demanding you give it back or anything. But I'm not sure you'll get much out of it.
The reason we don't offer these CADs is because there's an extra layer of cost to do that, in terms of support we'd need to offer Members. We're still focused on making sure that the IHD data is correct. Better to get that right first.
Also in the future we'll be looking at presenting extra info in the PP app.
Owww, connect your LAN (and hence WAN) to the smart meter infrastructure. What could go wrong? #pessimism
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Thanks Bernie
​​​​​​​This is the most exciting post about smart meters yet!
I'm almost tempted...(but only almost)
Marc,

Thanks for the update. I think some in-house education may be required. Your helpdesk checked when I asked about it and clearly said that the WiFi module was available and would be supplied. I assume you record phone calls, so you can check out what was discussed.

Anyhow, the module is useful as it does give me visibility of usage on my mobile device. However, this is only of limited value (not least because the app is a bit pants), as what is really required is a REST API facility to query the data on a continuous basis so we can analyse usage fully.

Geotogether, who provide the IHD and the GEO tempo app, do have a REST API, but they say it isn't available to consumers. They say that the energy supplier should provide this for consumers.

Not sure where we go from here, but other suppliers do provide this facility.

Thanks for your assistance.

Regards,

​​​​​​​Bernie.
I'd be really interested in getting access to my energy monitor data too. Would love to add the data to my Home Assistant dashboards.

It works for me, thanks for the suggestion of the app.

On the Trio II, set up the wifi first.

The app is now called Geo Home.

 

All working from my phone, see screen cap below:

 

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It works for me, thanks for the suggestion of the app.

On the Trio II, set up the wifi first.

The app is now called Geo Home.

 

All working from my phone, see screen cap below:

 

Interesting, @GSGS , how,  where did you get the WiFi module. As you've probably seen from the above posts, there are a few members interested in this

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You can just buy one https://www.geotogether.com/consumer/product/wifi-module/

 

£19.95 and really fast delivery, but might be too late for Christmas :-)

 

However, while the module works, I can’t complete the setup for the app since the “Online Setup” stays greyed out.  It’s sending data to geosmartdata.eu but there must be something more that’s needed - maybe it’s not supported by my energy supplier (SSE).  I’ve asked SSE and Geo and will update when have something. 

Hi all - many thanks to @WeAllWantToBeHappy for the link above - I ordered the wifi module from Geotogether and have successfully installed it and set up the Geo Home app to connect to the Trio device.

Sadly, all you get from the app is exactly the same information as is displayed on the Trio device itself. Not much use. Like many others, I want the ability to collect detailed data on my energy consumption over time (in 30sec or lower intervals), to help me better understand usage over time (both within day and across days/months).

Anyone got any ideas on whether the wifi connection can be used to stream and collect data to a recording device, either an iPhone or Android or (preferably) to a Windows PC?

TIA - Jerry

Hello @Madmikehoare 

Check out this post - we’re looking for Members help us test half-hourly reads from smart meters.

This basically means real-time elec and every half hour for gas. 

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Hi Madmikehoare

  Mine eventually popped live after about 30 hours..  No idea if anything was done on the far end - I opened a ticket with Geo, they asked for my device info and eventually the online bit went live.  They didn’t say if they had done anything.

  There is the Geo Home app which will give you a more convenient view than the IHD itself once the Trio goes online.

  I have dumped the WiFi data stream, but it is just a (pretty constant) stream of UDP packets to geosmartdata.eu

> Anyone got any ideas on whether the wifi connection can be used to stream and collect data to a recording device

So, yes, that’s easy, but it looks encrypted or very well obscured and I haven’t been able to make sense of it yet or I’d just do exactly that and collect MY OWN data for my own analysis.  You can get a dump with wireshark or tcpdump or whatever yourself and see if you can make sense of it.  All I can pick out so far is pretty much just the timestamp and the device MAC address and a stream of records of a few different lengths.  The format of the data remains hidden to me.

Efforts are ongoing elseweb to understand the interface between the Trio and the WiFi module to see if the data is more easily available en clair there.

 

Good luck.

Hi @WeAllWantToBeHappy

May I ask, what do you mean by “Mine eventually popped live after about 30 hours..” - The Geo Home app is currently connected and working with the Trio device and is showing the same “live” data that appears on the Trio but nothing more. I’ll have a bash with wireshark/tcpdump later but I’m not getting my hopes up (partly because I’ve only used those tools occasionally and I’m not the best at de-coding dumps).

...and I agree, it is MY OWN data - why on earth this wasn’t designed in from the start is beyond me (and looks like a breach of personal data ownership laws too).

@Marc - thanks, I’ve signed up, may I ask, does the trial provide more data, and the ability to collect it at my end, than the current base Geo Home app does?

Thanks all! Jerry

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> “Mine eventually popped live after about 30 hours..”

The ‘online code’ that the app asks for to pair with the IHD took 30 hours ish to appear on the Trio.  Not sure if I’m just unlucky of if Geo did something in response to my ticket. 

 

Here are are some records (I’ve just picked some with the same length in the hope that they are the same type (or at least contain several of the same type).  Data collected over a few days.  First four bytes are the timestamp.  I’ve blanked out my MAC address so they don’t send me a cease and desist letter, but it’s MY data anyway.  I’d expect a checksum somewhere, but haven’t spotted it yet, maybe the checksum is encrypted along with the rest.  I don’t see any obvious pattern or clues.  Anyway, take a look:

 

So, Christmas day:

5f e5 3d e8 93 3e ee 8b 9c 88 3d 51 96 c0 32 1f [MAC ADDRESS] 6f 8f d4 82 c1 26 23 80 1b 5e 1c a8 54 b1 c9 ee 17 88 c7 9c 50 f0 4b 6a
5f e5 3f 1b 01 b4 c4 dd 94 ef 92 a3 d4 02 b1 25 [MAC ADDRESS] 20 1f ca 38 9e cd 85 b4 55 ac fe 26 16 73 ef 40 8b 9e 63 8c bc 73 ae 5f
5f e5 40 4f dc 8a 58 0c 2d f2 ce b9 d2 2b 8f 50 [MAC ADDRESS] 6c 10 93 44 11 3e 23 30 8e a9 8b 79 87 6c d2 90 e7 c5 89 5c 65 1d d5 36
5f e5 40 e4 ac 7b 6d 63 36 6e ce 81 c5 43 da 6c [MAC ADDRESS] 2c 9a ce f0 a2 f0 83 45 c0 88 f0 de 9e 7b 90 3d e9 8c d5 cb f5 f4 7c 67
5f e5 40 e5 8b 3d 8f d2 22 19 63 95 59 7d 3b 61 [MAC ADDRESS] ef 65 d5 47 0b 02 02 68 7e 31 b8 00 a0 32 33 56 c3 bc 46 0b a8 8a aa 16
5f e5 40 e6 5e 16 bf 9d 91 2a 7f 30 64 fd a8 1f [MAC ADDRESS] a4 d8 7a d9 e8 de b5 0f ce ec 4a ff 95 3d 44 8c 75 95 80 4c ed d9 13 61
5f e5 40 e8 ae 71 cf 6e 82 df b1 17 f4 9f 55 f3 [MAC ADDRESS] f7 f2 65 34 47 4a ea e9 7b a2 9b 5e 5d 9f cd fa ca 49 cf df 39 ce b3 c1
5f e5 40 e8 f3 3f e7 27 33 5c 90 9f a3 aa 71 d1 [MAC ADDRESS] 57 0b 2b 66 eb 59 9d 9a a2 14 1e a7 77 e9 64 b3 4d 3d 84 64 23 c0 83 60
5f e5 40 e9 b5 c5 d8 3c 3c 71 8e 68 cc 6d 96 02 [MAC ADDRESS] a8 ea 07 bd 26 fa 50 8e 94 53 55 01 ff 12 59 02 f1 17 ad 71 05 87 fd 9f
5f e5 41 82 91 71 51 3f 92 79 04 f4 e7 7d e1 5b [MAC ADDRESS] e8 01 b0 f3 14 5f f9 aa fa f2 9e 52 d9 fd 60 21 34 6e 2f 2a b5 e0 12 03
5f e5 42 b6 ae 24 67 3d 42 ca f1 ed 3f 6e 10 1e [MAC ADDRESS] 0f 29 6d 59 d0 3a 0b d2 6a 6e 18 f2 66 84 60 09 63 96 8f 13 ea a0 a4 91
5f e5 43 e9 81 00 b6 13 c1 eb f4 3c c9 20 ee 25 [MAC ADDRESS] 60 d3 ce b1 4f 31 15 9f 02 ec 09 8b d8 ba 8e 71 43 50 e2 1a 23 44 6c 39

 

… Some days later

5f ea 4e ad 8a f6 f1 10 8a 52 4b 14 49 61 d5 8f [MAC ADDRESS] 89 99 93 2d 1f f6 81 0a d9 43 83 2f 9d f4 a3 72 eb e5 4f b4 a8 ea 6e f9
5f ea 4e ae 96 20 2e f2 d0 c6 a5 17 9c a4 91 45 [MAC ADDRESS] 2d 2a 56 83 83 c2 9b 29 ba db 5a a9 9a 93 ef 43 c9 c1 94 50 82 d9 0a 81
5f ea 4e ae ea 6f 99 1d 78 6a 31 21 73 48 30 43 [MAC ADDRESS] 2e d0 d5 9a f5 4c 45 14 ae ed f4 07 ee aa eb 08 c0 20 41 87 2a 0a b9 2c
5f ea 4e af a8 93 cd ac 64 33 51 16 47 37 16 ab [MAC ADDRESS] 7f 4a f6 36 6d ac 3e 04 0c e7 d8 5f 02 73 b1 67 73 dc 87 af 5d 12 f6 38
5f ea 4f 95 d2 22 91 18 79 07 b9 22 b9 f3 24 2a [MAC ADDRESS] e2 09 4d 7a 3c 39 ad 80 72 2a 4c 12 83 50 e9 4f 87 d4 33 9a 2b 8e 0d 72
5f ea 50 c9 5f d1 78 48 e3 52 a0 3d 0f 2e ce 2a [MAC ADDRESS] b2 96 69 54 4d cd f3 45 bf b2 21 c2 23 98 f3 d9 3f 14 b7 cc 53 c3 42 33
5f ea 51 fc 67 eb 61 df 67 fc 1e 82 b8 08 d0 36 [MAC ADDRESS] bf aa 0f c6 22 0c c8 70 f3 83 24 9d c5 f3 7b 13 a8 bb 42 db 2c 66 37 67
5f ea 52 b2 d0 b8 47 4e 77 4c a2 ad 10 5a 68 3c [MAC ADDRESS] 2f 58 ad 54 47 60 2a 01 85 ac c1 79 fa b1 57 71 ba 05 60 48 03 47 f3 2b
5f ea 53 31 60 3f 48 48 44 f2 53 c7 60 f0 d6 bf [MAC ADDRESS] 41 9b 8c 04 81 fa f7 0c 6b ba 0c a6 c5 e2 55 cb 61 4f cb 3f a2 8f 46 29
 

 

 

Any code breakers out there?

I assumed you’ve Googled about the format...

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