Veganuary


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I'll start off the discussion by refering to an interesting article on BBC Inside Science HERE it's about 13 min 35 seconds in.

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I vote flexitarian! I love plant based food and enjoy (mostly white) meat a couple of times a week maybe. When in France a Saignant steak is a nice treat.
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Most people I know have always and or increasingly been eating less meat.
WE've all been strong on plant base culinary because of the endless options.
I've made the choice for the next few weeks not to purchase any (sustainable) meat products without having to be prompted, um... perhaps though its a subliminal gut feeling...
I find it hard to purchase farmed fish especially salmon. The very thought of it puts me off and I love seafood.
Had a great time around Arcachon and Bordeaux last year at the seafood markets.
When in Rome as they say its good to eat the local specialist products.
I'm a foodie and theres not much I would not eat, but that emotion is gradually changing.
Its the combo I will miss as in matching that claret with a fine scotch bred steak that I regard as a special occasion.
By the next festive my approach will change...as there too much focus on meat and dairy when most of the year only once a week or less.
So Veganuary etc would not be such a challenge as its a daily practice including plant base milks.
The main challenge would be a cup of tea as we like skimmed milk and how eggs can be used in cooking.
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I agree milk is especially difficult if you drink tea and coffee all day long.
I've tried to substitute it not found anything that works OK for me, still looking.
Maybe black coffee is the answer...
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I already drink black coffee and grind my own beans and that's usually once a day.
When I'm out I prefer all the alternative milks oat, pea, soya, almond etc in a coffee.
But tea is the all day drink refresher and there is currently no substitute for skimmed milk.
When considering Veganuary, should we be also considering eating less foods that require lots of water like almonds.
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I'll start off the discussion by refering to an interesting article on BBC Inside Science HERE it's about 13 min 35 seconds in.


Thanks for sharing this link @woz
It's a great listen. Interesting debate.
On one hand there's the stats that an estimated 350,000 people are doing Veganuary, which in terms of CO2 savings is equivalent to 450,000 flights from Berlin to London. (Did I hear that right?). Not sure what Berlin to London has to do with it, mind.

Then on the other hand there are people being interviewed warning that if we ALL gave up meet it would decimate livelihoods. And that our bones will all weaken, causing more strain on the NHS.

I had to laugh (cos I've got the maturity of a 10-year-old sometimes!) of the professor who warned that doing Veganuary will result in more trips to loo, so watch out if you're on a long train journey. ๐Ÿ˜ฎ
@Marc, you'll be ok if the train was going to Looton. Sorry @Nat, another pun thread starts here...
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@Marc, you'll be ok if the train was going to Looton. Sorry @Nat, another pun thread starts here...


Would that be the train from Waterโ€‹โ€‹loo โ€‹โ€‹โ€‹โ€‹โ€‹โ€‹โ€‹
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or ****terton
(it's in Dorset and I bet this doesn't get through the profanity filter...)
I win my bet Sh*tterton

I will add that loo frequency is also directly related to stress, so if you're a stressed person no need to worry, your frequency probably won't change much...and yes it was juvenile.... but funny.
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I'll start off the discussion by refering to an interesting article on BBC Inside Science HERE it's about 13 min 35 seconds in.


Forgot to ask - are you trying out Veganuary yourself @woz? (or anyone else for that matter!)
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Maybe black coffee is the answer...


As someone addicted to his caffiene, who went through this process years ago, trust me - black coffee is almost always the answer.

But do yourself a favour if you are going to start drinking black coffee, get a percolator, stove-top pot, or something similar - instant without milk, even the 'good stuff' - does not taste that nice.

I use a stove top percolator from Lakeland and ground coffee, I'm fortunate that there's a specialist roaster in my home town, but they are most definitely not 'cheap' ยฃ24.50 to ยฃ40 a kilo, so I largely rely on supermarket stuff.


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Rhubarb.

I wrote a whole post, caught my keyboard with my mouse and backpaged, wiping it out.

Try again.

Kate and I are 'flexitarian' or as I prefer to see it 'pragmatic vegans.'

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Kate has been on a Gluten-Free and Dairy-Free diet for at least a decade, as it's supposed to ease some of the effects of her CRPS.

A year or two back, due to the fact that we are already on a Dairy-Free diet, and ate a limited amount of meat anyway, we started the transition towards a Vegan diet/lifestyle.

And this is why I describe as 'pragmatic' - it is very hard to find products in some categories, bread being a particular one that are both 'Gluten-Free' and 'Vegan' because egg white is used in so many things that are Gluten Free, and Wheat is used in a number of things that are Vegan.

We don't live in a 'big city' so access to a number of products are limited, and when we are faced with the choice of only being able to get something that is 'Gluten Free' or something that is 'Vegan' - we will fall into the 'Gluten Free' camp.

There are a few other areas where we are pragmatic compared to a number of vegans (or at least some of the ones I see in facebook groups.)

1: I will not refuse to buy a product from a company just because it 'sells meat, tests on animals somewhere (normally China), or has some other failing.' - to a degree, if I carried that out, I'd never be able to shop again, even my local 'health food' shop has meat derived products, never mind Tesco.

2: I will not get rid of 'non-vegan' things I bought before deciding to try Veganism, if the whole point is to respect animals and the planet, then the damage is 'already done' and replacing things without good cause is only creating more damage.

That's just my 2 cents worth, I understand that others most definitely do not see it this way, and are often very 'preachy' about it.

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I had to laugh (cos I've got the maturity of a 10-year-old sometimes!) of the professor who warned that doing Veganuary will result in more trips to loo, so watch out if you're on a long train journey. ๐Ÿ˜ฎ


Many moons ago, the guy I worked for at the time gained a new girlfriend from one of the countries in Asia, as a consequence of which he ended up on a diet which involved eating a lot of pulses, and boy did those of us who shared the office suffer.
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And this is why I describe as 'pragmatic' - it is very hard to find products in some categories, bread being a particular one that are both 'Gluten-Free' and 'Vegan' because egg white is used in so many things that are Gluten Free, and Wheat is used in a number of things that are Vegan.


๐Ÿคฏ they sure know how it make it easy don't they!

That sounds like some seriously impressive stuff, and a really good approach to take ๐Ÿ‘

As for black coffee... maybe I'll get there one day.
Of milk alternataives, so far I've found oat milk to be the best for coffees - but when it's done badly, it's really bad!
Most people on the Vegan groups swear by Oatly Barista.
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Has anyone seen Netflix documentary The Game Changers, about top athletes who have chosen to go vegan to improve their performance?

It includes sportsmen like Hamilton and Schwarzenegger (try typing that 10 times quickly!๐Ÿ˜…) as well as top runners.
It's certainly what inspired a few of my friends to become vegan, especially some of the rugby players I'm friends with.

It's interesting @Gwyndy mentioned
Kate has been on a Gluten-Free and Dairy-Free diet for at least a decade, as it's supposed to ease some of the effects of her CRPS.


as it's also being discussed that when these athletes are injured, their recovery time will be much faster on a vegan diet - one of my friends had an awful injury a few weeks ago in a rugby game, and has been advised to go vegan during his recovery period!
If there are any chickpeas fans here (๐Ÿคฃ) one of the recipes in the Veganuary 'cookbook' is a John Bishop recipe for chickpea burgers. It looks delicious and also pretty simple to make.

Ingredients

1 small onion, finely chopped
4 tbsp olive oil
1 clove garlic, peeled and
minced
1ร—400g can chickpeas,
drained
1 tsp ground cumin
1/2 tsp smoked paprika
A squeeze of lemon juice
1 tbsp tahini
A little plain flour
Salt and pepper


Method

1. Gently fry the onions over a medium heat in half the oil
until they are soft and translucent. Add the garlic and fry
for another minute, stirring.
2. Mash the chickpeas with a fork or a potato masher,
and add them to the onions, along with the cumin and
paprika. Cook stirring for another three or four minutes.
3. Add the lemon juice, and stir in the tahini to bind the
mixture. Season to taste.
4. Form the mixture into four burgers, and coat them in
flour, then fry them in the remaining oil for four minutes
on each side.
5. Serve with a green salad.
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Thanks Marc, I made a chic pea chilli thang last night with a brown rice pilaf including red pepper.
Come on dude pre soak your own?
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Bloody LOVE chick peas! ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿƒ*โ™€๏ธ๐Ÿ’จ
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Come on dude pre soak your own?


Yeah you're right @Strutt G
I keep meaning to!
Does it make them taste any better though? ๐Ÿฃ
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Was just gonna say, it takes hours and taste absolutely no different! I love the Napoleon ones as slightly bigger
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Good morning @Marc, it's the texture and flavour combined, subtle maybe when all those spices added.
Not in a tin...I was starting to look up to the vegans, but reconsidering..joking...as when short of time I will use a tin...got lots of dried pulses and 1 tin of haricot beans.
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Was just gonna say, it takes hours and taste absolutely no different! I love the Napoleon ones as slightly bigger


I'll look out for those Emperor of chickpeas.. the standard soaked overnight in the fridge with plenty of water under an hour, then added to the main ingredient pot.
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Typo Strutty, should say Napolena, just used em actually in an asparagus kale risotto ๐Ÿ‘

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