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CCTV Cameras


Out of interest how many of you have CCTV cameras mounted, in particular one of those doorbell ones?

I use Arlo cameras and find the quality is good, and of course you can talk to squirrels through them! As well as monitor from afar. I replaced one on my garage a few days ago but my issue was getting it to cover my drive and parked cars but not my neighbour opposite! I think I managed.

I have a doorbell with integrated camera to install but a little wary of how intrusive this may be for neighbours opposite. 

Experience folks?

There is also the security issue of some of these devices creating a back door into your system for hackers. At present I am not happy for my modem failed and am having to use the supplied Hub from EE which is not very good, until a new modem arrives. Let’s hope I don’t get arrested in the interim! Like the poor chap a few months ago when the police descended on his premises, seized his gear and alleged he had been viewing child porn. He hadn’t, none existed on his computer. It was a hacker somewhere who had hacked into his system and piggy backed on it.

 


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I have 2 Swann cameras connected to a NVR , 1 covering the front door and garden, 1 covering the back door and yard. Records 24/7. Makes me feel secure, wouldn't be without them. 

Mone records to a HDD, not to the cloud. 

As risk of sounding like a security broken record combined with an Apple fanboy, be careful with stuff that can do all sorts, especially an internet connected camera communicating with some random server storing your footage.

Apple Homekit Secure Video uses end-to-end encryption to limit who can see what to try to avoid potential eavesdroppers and other abuse. These folk introduce it nicely:

https://www.the-ambient.com/guides/apple-homekit-secure-video-explainer-1814

I’d be very reluctant to install other camera gear, in fact haven’t installed any at all. The HomeKit doorbell does sound nice, where a view of the door appears whilst watching AppleTV...

I have 2 Swann cameras connected to a NVR , 1 covering the front door and garden, 1 covering the back door and yard. Records 24/7. Makes me feel secure, wouldn't be without them. 

Mone records to a HDD, not to the cloud. 

That reminds me, I once did something similar (2007 ish) in a previous life/house and used an old laptop to save stuff local and then email me anything interesting that moved. That was fun, but got old quite quickly...

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I've got a doorbell camera, and I must admit I'm not very impressed, there is a delay in notification of movement, and I've noticed that anyone coming down the path now looks down or away. I've also noticed that callers have now started using the knocker, even though the doorbell is directly below it.

It is useful though to tell parcel delivery to leave in a safe place, although that is actually telling them no-one is in

 

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I have a camera doorbell fitted and can answer it where ever I am as it's hooked upto my WiFi and can speak to whoever plus it only records when someone rings the bell and only records for 30 seconds if I can't answer so I can see who rung the bell in my free time.

 

Ryan

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We have CCTV with 7 cameras around the place 

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I've got a doorbell camera, and I must admit I'm not very impressed, there is a delay in notification of movement, and I've noticed that anyone coming down the path now looks down or away. I've also noticed that callers have now started using the knocker, even though the doorbell is directly below it.

It is useful though to tell parcel delivery to leave in a safe place, although that is actually telling them no-one is in

 

@Duppy The delivery person doesn’t know if you’re in but indisposed, or away from home when you reply.

hmmm...it could get a bit fraught if they ask for a signature, I’m in the bath on the loo, in bed, can a neighbour sign for it...

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I've got a doorbell camera, and I must admit I'm not very impressed, there is a delay in notification of movement, and I've noticed that anyone coming down the path now looks down or away. I've also noticed that callers have now started using the knocker, even though the doorbell is directly below it.

It is useful though to tell parcel delivery to leave in a safe place, although that is actually telling them no-one is in

 

@Duppy The delivery person doesn’t know if you’re in but indisposed, or away from home when you reply.

hmmm...it could get a bit fraught if they ask for a signature, I’m in the bath on the loo, in bed, can a neighbour sign for it...

I don't think we're going to go back to signing for deliveries, so I don't think it will be a problem going forward.. The post office is considering discontinuing it, and Amazon, Hermes etc are all used to drop on doorsteps, photo ,turn and go. 

@Duppy ”Drop on doorsteps”? Some have been known to throw the parcel over the garden gate oblivious as to what it may land on.

I don't think we're going to go back to signing for deliveries, so I don't think it will be a problem going forward.. The post office is considering discontinuing it, and Amazon, Hermes etc are all used to drop on doorsteps, photo ,turn and go. 

Yep, you have to make sure to wear your best slippers when answering the door for deliveries now, according to my mum. :joy:  I bet they’ve captured some odd things! 

 

I heard from our postman, arriving at a state of shock to deliver a parcel one morning, that he had been to deliver at another property, rang the bell and was greeted by a lady, naked all but a bum back! 

Then there is the story of the lady completely naked opens the door because the caller shouted he was the blind man!

Seriously though, I don't understand why delivery people do not ring the door bell. What we have is not a CCTV (well not yet!) it is obvious it is not, you cannot miss it at all, yet over 50% bang on the door.

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As risk of sounding like a security broken record combined with an Apple fanboy, be careful with stuff that can do all sorts, especially an internet connected camera communicating with some random server storing your footage.

Apple Homekit Secure Video uses end-to-end encryption to limit who can see what to try to avoid potential eavesdroppers and other abuse. These folk introduce it nicely:

https://www.the-ambient.com/guides/apple-homekit-secure-video-explainer-1814

I’d be very reluctant to install other camera gear, in fact haven’t installed any at all. The HomeKit doorbell does sound nice, where a view of the door appears whilst watching AppleTV...

I agree @25 quid - I’ve steered well clear of CCTV cameras, especially Amazon/RING ones.

The marketing for them is great, but what they don’t tell you is how they connect your cameras and provide your feeds to police and other neighbourhood watch schemes. 

Amazon are now able to record the audio inside your house (thanks to Alexa), record audio and video outside of your house (thanks to RING doorbells), they can record the inside of your entire house (when you’re not home with their home cam https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-54285692) and they can record above your house thanks to the drone deliveries their piloting - in fact, the drones are designed to scan your house and alert you if they spot a window or a door that is open).

So much for privacy. How much information should one private company really be able to have?

Wow @myauntie, I thought I was paranoid! 😉 

But you’re right. There’s a move on some home routers to make it easy to block local devices from accessing the internet. But that would only be helpful for some devices and no help at all for Amazony things, as they are utterly dumb without the internet. But with the internet they are a privacy nightmare. 

Just don’t give them house space is the only solution.

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If you use the internet you’re going to be tracked and data collected. There’s just no at around that. Of course you should do all you can - but it’s up to governments and regulatory bodies to enforce strict privacy laws. 
 

 

You’re right there’s certainly an inevitability of some risk, but I feel there are some positive choices individuals can make too.

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If you use the internet you’re going to be tracked and data collected. There’s just no at around that. Of course you should do all you can - but it’s up to governments and regulatory bodies to enforce strict privacy laws. 
 

 

When you say "use the internet", do you mean for storage? Do you think I'm safe with my cameras ans NVR?

(i can access and view footage remotely, but it doesn't record to the cloud, just to the NVR in the house.)

Depends on the arrangement and security precautions you’ve taken Ange. 

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@Angelabikerbabe 

make sure you set up a really strong password, for cloud access and I’d like to see 2 factor authorisation to view it remotely but I doubt many vendors offer it? I don’t know, does anyone offer 2FA for remote viewing?

HomeKit Secure Video does need 2FA, as above:

A local in-house hosted version could be secure, but the secure remote access could be challenging. e.g. your home IP will probably change periodically.

@Angelabikerbabe

make sure you set up a really strong password, for cloud access and I’d like to see 2 factor authorisation to view it remotely but I doubt many vendors offer it? I don’t know, does anyone offer 2FA for remote viewing?

Arlo can be set up as two factor plus your face etc. I have it so set.
 

The biggest problem for many is they leave the back door open, that is to say they make it easy for others to access their router. A password that would take many thousands of years to crack is what is needed plus you can add other devices which police things, or rather block things.

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Never leave ya back door open 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Never leave ya back door open 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Now where has your mind gone with that?!

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If you use the internet you’re going to be tracked and data collected. There’s just no at around that. Of course you should do all you can - but it’s up to governments and regulatory bodies to enforce strict privacy laws. 
 

 

When you say "use the internet", do you mean for storage? Do you think I'm safe with my cameras ans NVR?

(i can access and view footage remotely, but it doesn't record to the cloud, just to the NVR in the house.)

As 25 said, NVR hone should be secure. Make sure you have strong password (for everything - and use a password manager). What I was trying to say is anything connected to the internet presents a security ‘risk’. In many cases the benefits out way those risks, and long as you take all precautions. 
 

remote accces can be read only, a strong password and if possible 2FA

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Thanks everyone. 👍

I have a camera doorbell fitted and can answer it where ever I am as it's hooked upto my WiFi and can speak to whoever plus it only records when someone rings the bell and only records for 30 seconds if I can't answer so I can see who rung the bell in my free time.

That sounds pretty cool @Rds261189 What kind/model do you have?

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