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I know we didn't have a choice, but the reallocation to Shell Energy feels like such a kick in the teeth for those of us who choice Pure Planet based on their ethics and culture. I couldn't think of a less environmentally conscientious company than Shell. 

I know a lot more people who joined PP because it had a cheaper quote through a switch site or club like MSE, than joined for the green credentials. 
Do you not drive a car, buy from supermarkets, wear mass-manufactured clothes?

Excuse me for recycling something I replied to another poster who didn’t have any time for Shell either:

and you don’t think Shell have made climate change commitments?
Pure Planet were purely energy sellers, basing their provision on commendable, but quite variable, attractive promises about how they could offset carbon emission from the gas they sold (there is no ‘green gas’) and purchasing from renewable electricity producers, but it was all just certificates (REGOs). Our electricity came from the same grid as the person who bought theirs from BG, or Scottish Power, or Sainsbury’s. They weren’t out there building their own fields of giant wind turbines (as if that’s sustainable or environmentally friendly!).

If you look at Shell’s website you’ll see just the same promises about net-zero, renewable and carbon-neutral.

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Lots of practical points here but I assume most of us chose PP partly at least for ‘green’ reasons and I am wondering why Ofgem thinks it appropriate to switch us to a supplier that is essentially an oil company and which shows no sign of making arrangements to switch to all renewable fuels in any timescale that will leave the planet still alive. 

Ofsted is supposed to protect our interests and my primary interest in choice of supplier is to minimise damage to the planet. The choice of Shell seems to be more like maximising such damage.

Because they’re a huge domestic and commercial supplier of energy, with the capacity to absorb sudden on boarding of 10s of 000s of customers. I doubt if even for them the process is an easy one. If they didn’t the energy provision market would be up sh*t creek without a paddle, as no one would be getting billed and things would soon come crashing down.

About green credentials OFGEM care not. If this had all happened after COP 26 it could have been different, we’ll never know.
 

I think you’re doing Shell down a bit prematurely. They are massive investors in next gen energy production, yes they have been Petroleum based in the past, but do you truly think they don’t have an eye on the future with hydrogen, renewables and hybrid power provision?

 

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Shell acquires Sonnen Batterie

 

@rachellefletcher Who would you like to be ensuring a future with a plentiful (we’ll need it) and secure energy supply, exactly?

 

 

Its a good question, they all seem to 'greenwash' in one way or another and I didn't realise that the power comes from the same place but is just packaged up differently. I suppose I want to support investment in something better for the future and whilst Shell certainly seem to say they plan to invest in greener energy, but they all do. I just don't exactly think of Shell when I think about renewable energy. Did you see the programme on Monday evening 9pm channel 4? It got quite a bad bit of press. I've always wondered why we cant/don't harvest more power from the sea, the tides move with the moon and seem pretty sustainable to me. 

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I know we didn't have a choice, but the reallocation to Shell Energy feels like such a kick in the teeth for those of us who choice Pure Planet based on their ethics and culture. I couldn't think of a less environmentally conscientious company than Shell. 

I know a lot more people who joined PP because it had a cheaper quote through a switch site or club like MSE, than joined for the green credentials. 
Do you not drive a car, buy from supermarkets, wear mass-manufactured clothes?

Excuse me for recycling something I replied to another poster who didn’t have any time for Shell either:

and you don’t think Shell have made climate change commitments?
Pure Planet were purely energy sellers, basing their provision on commendable, but quite variable, attractive promises about how they could offset carbon emission from the gas they sold (there is no ‘green gas’) and purchasing from renewable electricity producers, but it was all just certificates (REGOs). Our electricity came from the same grid as the person who bought theirs from BG, or Scottish Power, or Sainsbury’s. They weren’t out there building their own fields of giant wind turbines (as if that’s sustainable or environmentally friendly!).

If you look at Shell’s website you’ll see just the same promises about net-zero, renewable and carbon-neutral.

Carbon neutral information


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JohnB wrote:

Lots of practical points here but I assume most of us chose PP partly at least for ‘green’ reasons and I am wondering why Ofgem thinks it appropriate to switch us to a supplier that is essentially an oil company and which shows no sign of making arrangements to switch to all renewable fuels in any timescale that will leave the planet still alive. 

Ofsted is supposed to protect our interests and my primary interest in choice of supplier is to minimise damage to the planet. The choice of Shell seems to be more like maximising such damage.

Because they’re a huge domestic and commercial supplier of energy, with the capacity to absorb sudden on boarding of 10s of 000s of customers. I doubt if even for them the process is an easy one. If they didn’t the energy provision market would be up sh*t creek without a paddle, as no one would be getting billed and things would soon come crashing down.

About green credentials OFGEM care not. If this had all happened after COP 26 it could have been different, we’ll never know.
 

I think you’re doing Shell down a bit prematurely. They are massive investors in next gen energy production, yes they have been Petroleum based in the past, but do you truly think they don’t have an eye on the future with hydrogen, renewables and hybrid power provision?

 

Carbon Neutral

 

Shell acquires Sonnen Batterie

 

@rachellefletcher Who would you like to be ensuring a future with a plentiful (we’ll need it) and secure energy supply, exactly?

 

 

Its a good question, they all seem to 'greenwash' in one way or another and I didn't realise that the power comes from the same place but is just packaged up differently. I suppose I want to support investment in something better for the future and whilst Shell certainly seem to say they plan to invest in greener energy, but they all do. I just don't exactly think of Shell when I think about renewable energy. Did you see the programme on Monday evening 9pm channel 4? It got quite a bad bit of press. I've always wondered why we cant/don't harvest more power from the sea, the tides move with the moon and seem pretty sustainable to me. 

That was the Joe Lycett one wasn’t it? He’s amusing enough. I haven’t watched it, but I read a couple of reviews. He does like to make a fuss about issues and I guess he’s a bit of a people’s champion against the perceived ills of Big Business. He’s okay and I should probably go and watch the programme. I prefer to look at the wider picture and then sort of ‘zoom in’ to tease out the detail of issues that don’t seem right.

The power comes from different places but all ends up on the same National Grid. So it starts as nuclear, hydro (Scotland has masses of it), gas-fired (coal-fired not too long ago), wind, solar etc etc. And then that’s fed onto the BNG to be distributed around the country, probably out of it in some instances too. There are FAQ on here about REGOs if you wish to brush up.

I live in Cornwall with the sea all around and I wonder the same as you about tidal electricity generation. There are two experimental ‘Wave hubs’ that I know of and have seen first hand. One is off St Ives and the other off Falmouth. Companies who want to test their generation equipment can plug into these hubs and study the results remotely. Plymouth University are at the forefront of this technology. Plymouth University Wave Hub articles , so it’s coming.

A couple of us on here have commented about the massive ‘Greenwash’ of all energy sector companies that is bound to happen this Winter. Even my pet insurance company LV= have started to get in on the act this week with a new EV website.

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It is easy to overlook the fact telling the world you are green is a sales pitch. Some companies need to do it to attract customers. But there are physical restraints on providing the end user with green energy - at present. There are no exceptions in the energy supply industry that I have come across.

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It seems that nearly all suppliers claim to offer renewable electricity, but as the renewable generation only accounts for around 40% of supplies, where does the rest come from and where does all the " dirty" electricity  go. 

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 “where does all the " dirty" electricity  go. 

It powers your kettle, washing machine, tumbler drier, oven and central heating plus your lights and never forgetting all those PSUs for mobile phones and the like.

Being 100% green sounds good, designed to attract, some don’t think it through, customer bases increase. To be honest and say “We pay for electricity from suppliers who generate green power but we cannot guarantee that is what you will get” is better but the promoters of the product realise it may not attract so many.

I have mentioned the quote before from a Pope who said “It has served us well this myth of Christ” or perhaps more accurately “All ages can testifie enough howe profitable that fable of Christe hath ben to us and our companie.”

Perhaps it should be rewritten - “It has served us well this myth of supplying 100% green energy.” 

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@G4RHL 

I know that, that was my point. All these companies can't claim to offer 100% renewable 100% of the time to all their customers as there isn't enough renewable generation to match. When you look at a day like today where the weather is too dull for optimum solar production and wind turbines are shut down because it's too windy, where is the renewable energy supposed to come from, Hydro generation might have been the answer if the government ever got its act together to support such schemes

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@Duppy We agree! What has always irritated me, p…es me off, is companies promoting themselves as 100% green when they are not, and that includes PP.  It is misleading. Indeed it is clear from some postings in this forum that there are some who believe it, that what arrives at their home, whether gas or electricity, is 100% green. I view it all as misrepresentation and no matter how you dress it up the objective is to make the company attractive, one to join in preference to another. Ofgem are very much at fault for allowing this to happen. The old expression for this was “trader’s puffing.”

It is ironic that when the wind blows it may be too strong for the wind turbines.

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It seems that nearly all suppliers claim to offer renewable electricity, but as the renewable generation only accounts for around 40% of supplies, where does the rest come from and where does all the " dirty" electricity  go. 

@Duppy 

It powers all those vibrators we keep hearing about.

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My DD was collected by PP this morning as normal. Am now £345.31 in credit although the app does not say so for it has not updated with this morning’s payment. I suspect my credit will drop on the 5th November when the monthly charge is debited. It makes sense that all continues as normal to make the transition easy. It becomes just a change of names. Not charges though!

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Yeah snap. Mine just gone out this morning as usual, and meter reads submitted as requested, in the usual way 👍👍👍👍👍👍

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Mine too 👍

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My balance has been updated the app with my recent DD. Haven't got my statement yet, but early days. 

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Mine to. I am £345.31 in credit. Probably until Saturday! Then about £280.

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There won’t be any statements being produced now, thru this transition period, but we shall keep own records of DD and readings etc 👍

Yep, for my own personal account I’m just going to keep note of my meter readings (and the dates they were taken), as well as enter them into the Pure Planet app as normal. That way you can (roughly) figure out your usage cost if needed, to make sure you’re roughly on track, in the gap before receiving a statement. :slight_smile:

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I notice Shell Energy are pushing a free boiler service if you pay them £8 per month! They throw in an excess you have to pay of £100! They say it saves £96. Not sure about the maths there!

But my service costs me £50 each year! 

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Some additional info from Shell’s website:

 

See your usage

We offer you a day-by-day breakdown of how your energy usage varies via our online tool. If you change your meter readings to be half-hourly, you’ll also get a detailed overview of how your energy usage fluctuates throughout the day.

You can also see your usage in real-time via your in-home display (IHD), which shows your usage in pounds and pence. You receive an IHD as standard when we install your smart meter.

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How can Shell charge the same as PP?

I’ve received a tariff by email from Shell Energy. Based on last year’s consumption, Shell is very slightly (£25 per year) more expensive. How can Shell afford to offer these capped prices when PurePlanet couldn’t?

Are our bills being subsidised by Shell’s oil profits?

Cheers,

David.

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@Dhedwards  Shell has the capital base to cover itself. Same as the other companies that survive the current position. PP, like the other companies that have failed,, was/is heavily in debt and in PP’ case the company behind it, BP, withdrew support. The supply system has not been regulated as it ought to have been. If it had been there would already be much fewer suppliers.

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Where else, what else and how else could they or would they by subsided?

Think anyone on a variable/capped/subsidy tariff will take what they can get accept those peeps with exhaustible funds and thats if they care.

What are the alternatives at the mo without taking a risk into the unknown?

 

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Exactly! But the ‘energy price cap’ distorts the market.

Either the market should be completely free (uncapped) in which case we’d all probably pay much more, or (my preference) energy supply should be renationalised, in which case the govt could cap the price for those who couldn’t afford it. But that smacks of socialism!

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We had a visit from a meter reader yesterday, first time since we've lived here.  I'm guessing it's to do with the transfer to Shell.

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@Scubaseahorse A rare sighting. They must still be breeding.

More seriously I think legally they still have to do it once a year. Read the meter that is!

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Ooo intriguing Scubs. Maybe that a good sign things are progressing 

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